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Examples Of & Comments About The Children"s Rhyme "I Like Coffee, I Like Tea, I Like Sitting On A Babsence Man"s Knee"
I think that this version is a "trick question" was meant to bring about an automatic and "evident response from kids who weren"t Black (the intfinished audience for that and also various other rhymes) that "Yes. I choose coffee and also yes I prefer tea" however NO. I don"t choose sitting on a Babsence man"s knee." (Having said yes both times, the "trick" is that the perchild answering the question would be lulled right into responding "yes" to a question that around an action that is very unacceptable (for youngsters that aren"t Black). Few analysis of children"s recreational rhymes that I"ve review take into consideration that this rhyme and some various other children"s recreational rhymes could have different definitions for Babsence kids than they execute for White children. Although we teach our kids that they shouldn"t sit on any kind of starray man"s lap-unless he"s the Santa Claus at a cultural event during the Christmas season- for the many component, sitting on the knee of a Black man who is known to a Black son doesn’t have actually the very same risque, sexualized, and also scary connotations that it had in the past and also probably still have actually in the 2000s for White children and also various other non-Black children.
It"s substantial that "Black men" are the just racial/ethnic populace that are featured in these rhymes- There are no equivalent examples of "I choose coffee...I prefer sitting on a White man"s knee" or "I like sitting on an Oriental man"s knee" or "I favor sitting on a Latino man"s knee."
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Although we teach our children that they shouldn"t sit on any strange man"s lap-unmuch less he"s the Santa Claus in the keep or social occasion in the time of the Christmas season, we do not host those negative stereoforms about Babsence males and therefore Black kids wouldn"t translate this rhyme in the same way as White youngsters. I don"t remember "I prefer coffee...I choose sitting on a black man"s knee" from my childhood (in Atlantic City, New Jersey, beforehand 1950s). I wonder if anyone exterior of England also remembers this rhyme. If so, for the folkloric document, please share that information in the comment section below. Please include demographics (especially your race/ethnicity, geographical area, and also decade that you remember this rhyme). Thanks!-snip-My practice is to capitalize the racial referents "Black" and "White". However before, I"ve used the lower case "b" for "black man" as that is just how that referent is uncovered in the examples I am quoting.In contrast, the modern rhymes "I like coffee, I prefer tea, I choose a Black boy and also he likes me" were most likely initially created by Babsence human being. Click http://tastecraftedmcd.com/2012/01/racialized-versions-of-i-like-coffee-i.html Racialized Versions Of "I Like Coffee I Like Tea" for a tastecraftedmcd.com post about those rhymes. Also, click http://tastecraftedmcd.com/2017/06/selected-examples-of-referents-for.html for the carefully associated tastecraftedmcd.com write-up entitled "Selected Instances Of Referents For Black People In Children"s Rhymes"****EXCERPTS ABOUT THE RHYME "I LIKE COFFEE....I LIKE SITTING ON A BLACK MAN"S KNEE"These excerpts are given in fairly random order, and also are numbered for referencing objectives only.EXCERPT #1From https://books.google.com/books?id=sdWwHbOf4oAC&pg=PA65&lpg=PA65&dq=i+like+coffee+i+like+tea+i+like+sitting+on+a+black+man%27s+knee&source=bl&ots=HpDAN7l85O&sig=8S_C-5wB9bySayW9t_Gzz3WdoOU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4y73_ifbYAhXD61MKHY06CzE4ChDoAQgoMAA#The Lore and also Language of Schoolchildren Iona Archibald Opie, Peter Opie -Given in section entitled “Guile”..."’Can you say tea-pot backwards?’ (The perchild claims “pot tea” and you say you recognize he is)’“Do you feel choose a cup of tea??” ‘Yes’. ‘You look like one”."Are you soft?’ ‘No’. ‘Are you daft? ‘ ‘No’. Are you far off of it?’ ‘No.’ (You say, ‘I thought not”.) This last is practically one of those triple-question tricks in which the perchild is led to mean that the answer given to the first 2 inquiries will likewise execute for the third:Do you like apples?Do you favor pears?Do you like tumbling down the stairs? Or, Do you choose whiteDo you choose pink?Do you favor fallingdvery own the sink? Possibly the rhyming aids the delusion, for these formulas are highly popular, particularly with incredibly young youngsters that have actually just started college. Our daughter, for example, was 5 years old when she came home with: Do you choose coffee ? Do you like tea ? Do you like sitting on a blackman"s knee ?-snip-The "Are you soft" instance doesn’t translate well into Amerihave the right to English. While, I realize that “daft” suggests “crazy”, I’m not certain what “far off of it” suggests. But I "get" that these "triple questions" are expected to "trick" the kid into saying "yes", when the third answer would definitely be "no". As I shown in my comments above, given the negative stereokinds that were hosted around Babsence civilization in general, and also Black males in certain, for White kids in the late 1950s and (likely) for many non-Babsence kids currently, I suspect that the answer to the question "Do you favor sitting on a blackman"s knee" wouldn"t have actually been (wouldn"t be) "Yes", but a loud "NO!". For those children (and not for Black children) "sitting on a Black man"s knee" would have actually been (and might still be) somepoint that would certainly not just be socially unacceptable, yet also be taken into consideration disgusting. The writer quoted in Excerpt #3 provides another possible interpretation of this rhyme in which "sitting on a black man"s knee" was eroticized. If that is the instance, the declarative statement "I choose sitting on a black man"s knee" may be an example of kids being risque by complicated societal taboos of sitting on a Black man"s lap for sexualized, if not romantic, reasons.****EXCERPT #2 From http://sounds.bl.uk/Oral-history/Opie-collection-of-children-s-games-and-songs-/021M-C0898X0059XX-0100V0"Type: soundDuration: 00:47:41<...>Subjects: Children"s games; Children"s songsRecording date: 1982-06Is component of (Collection): Opie collection of children"s games and also songs<...>"There is a short pausage in the recording at <00:15:00> and Iona describes that she is currently in Flitwick, Bedford. Tbelow is much background noise from traffic. Iona starts by talking to some schoolgirls, one of whom is thirteen.They sing the skipping song "I Like Coffee, I Like Tea". The girl sings: "I like coffee, I like tea, I choose sitting on a black man"s knee" <00:15:27 - 00:15:34>"****EXCERPT #3From https://books.google.com/books?id=OkyBDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA126&lpg=PA126&dq=i+like+coffee+i+like+tea+i+like+sitting+on+a+black+man%27s+knee&source=bl&ots=oZAdnb3j9l&sig=G_Nw_cUozzmmYB_Jdjdqmuc7jzo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjrz_Gu_fXYAhWEq1MKHY5UBh8Q6AEIRjAF#v=onepage&q=i%20like%20coffee%20i%20like%20tea%20i%20like%20sitting%20on%20a%20black%20man"s%20knee&f=false Richard Hoggart and Cultural StudiesS. Owen"In this brand-new repertoire of esclaims, a range of establimelted and also emerging social doubters re-evaluate Rictough Hoggart"s contribution to the background of concepts and also to the technique of Cultural Studies. They examine Hoggart"s tradition, identifying his widespread affect, tracing continuities and also complexities, and also affirming his prestige."‘Them’ And ‘Us’ - Robert J C Young..."Perhaps Leeds was different, but in many English cities, from London to Newcastle, neighborhood English and also immiapprove communities of Jews, Irish, and also later Caribbean, Bangladeshi, and also Pakistani did satisfy, and also 1957 was the moment when this was initially ending up being a political concern on a national level- it was the year before the initially Nottingham riots. In the civilization of The Uses, tbelow seems to be as little explicit consciousness of black world as of the colonies.The charlady secures her old felt hat via a large pin via a piccaninny’s head carved on the blunt end-a relic of a day at sea, I suppose’ (118), everyone knows that a regional woguy had actually a black kid after the annual visit of the circus a couple of years back. This illicit attraction is staged more spectacularly in among the jumping rope rhymes which Hoggart quotes without comment:I choose coffee, I choose teaI like sitting on a black man’s knee (58)The regular variation of this rhyme is I prefer coffee, I like teaI desire to jump with me.Or more suggestively, I like the boys and the boys like meEven Salman Rushdie, in The Satanic Verses, cites a comparatively anodyne variation compared to Hoggart’s, once Saladin Chamcha is making threatening erotic anonymous phone calls to Gibreel:I like coffee, I like tea,I like the things you carry out to me.Tell her that, the voice swooned, and also rang off.(Rushdie, 1988, 444) The spectral appearance of the eroticised babsence man’s knee in The Uses argues one more dimension to the quite puritanical sex life that is evoked in the everyday resides of the functioning course. It also suggests the phantom visibility of different communities who register no visibility in the book.”****EXCERPT #4From http://the-history-girls.tastecraftedmcd.com.com/2015/05/bluebells-cockleshells-catherine-johnson.html Bluebells, Cockleshells Catherine Johnson, Thursday, 14 May 2015“That"s what started me off a walk in those woods last week, I couldn"t obtain this skipping rhyme out of my head;Bluebells, cockleshells,Evey, Ivy, O-ver,Did you play this one? You"d need a big team, and a large rope with two enders, or one ender (nobody wanted to be an ender) and also then you"d tie the other finish to a drainpipe. Anyway on "Bluebells, cockle shells" the rope would be swayed, not turned all the method over till the word "over" in the rhyme. At this the next girl, it was constantly a girl (and there was just Barry Mbody organ in our school that might skip I might be wrong here) would run right into the rope. She"d sing;I prefer coffee I prefer tea I like Sheila in with meAnd then Sheila would certainly jump in and you"d both skip together and also spell out her name as you jumped. But sometimes, and this would be approximately 1970 in London, I can remember singing;I choose coffee I prefer tea,I like sitting on a black man"s kneeWhich appears totally shocking now - although we didn"t think around it then - and did I think I was skipping about my Dad? Not at all, this was the exact same mythical black guy that famously obtained recorded by his toe, ideal mates, no doubt through the male from China that was forever before doing up his flies. Skipping rhymes were always odd and also periodically rude and periodically totally scatological. Can I just say I am glad those days are gone? I never felt these rhymes were a authorize of any type of kind of innocence.”...****EXCERPT #5From http://www.odps.org/glossword/index.php?a=term&d=3&t=381 Seedy Songs and also Rotten Rhymes - the poetry of the playground"I prefer coffeeI prefer coffee I favor tea I like sitting on a black mans knee With a one and a two and a 3 (on 3 lift your skirt, rotate tround conveniently, bfinish over and also display your bum)"****EXCERPT #6From http://britishexpats.com/forum/barbie-92/playground-songs-448434/page3/May 9th 2007, 12:03 am #39"sasbear This might be classed as un PC now yet.this is what we sang ...I favor coffeeI favor teaI like sitting on a babsence man"s knee"**May ninth 2007, 12:10 am asher FemaleQuote:Originally Posted by sasbear This might be classed as un PC currently however.this is what we sang ...I prefer coffeeI favor teaI favor sitting on a babsence man"s kneewe sang it as a skipping song "as over then I desire so and so in via me."-snip-“I want so and also so in through me” I desire to sign up with me jumping rope.****EXCERPT #7From https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=36600.120 Topic: When did you initially enrespond to racism?Re: When did you first encounter racism?Sexton Brackets, Reply #125 on: June 13, 2013, 10:10:01 AM »"Anvarious other playground one round my means was "Do you like coffee?Do you favor tea?Do you prefer sitting on a black man"s knee?"There was one babsence child in my class as soon as I was eight (1974) and our teacher would consistently mock-glower at him and also say "Don"t you give me those black looks, boy" in a weird Windsor Davies-type voice, to the poor kid"s evident embarrassment. It was exceptionally funny for the rest of us at the moment, though."****Thanks for visiting tastecraftedmcd.com.Visitor comments are welcome.